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Excellent site Matt!

I posted this over at LATOC:

http://serensmundaneastrology.wordpress.com/2010/10/20/an-ill-starred-arrangement/

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and only "Elizabeth/ De Jure" responded with this:

K, I went back and made some notes. Here is what jumps out at me ;
Chart is ruled by Jupiter from the third and the end of the matter (4th) is ruled by Mars in the 11th.

At the horizon are Pluto conjunct North Node conjunct Moon. This is presenting as an explosively worrisome problem, and it is in our best interests to solve it. Even though it is still "too late" (29 sag rising).

Jupiter is chart ruler because it rules the first. Jupiter means something is HUGE.
Second house is ruled by Aquarius (uranos) from the third conjunct Jupiter. So our money and resources are determined by our everyday, neighborhood activities.

Neptune is there, muddying the waters with vagueness and delusion.

Mars rules the end of the matter from the eleventh, the house of hopes and dreams and large groups of people. In horary electional, planets are bad or good and Mars is bad. It suggests a conflagration.

The fifth is ruled by Venus from the 11th - Taurus is concerned with the status quo, keeping things stable. But the fifth is the house of children, gambling and affairs.

 The sixth is ruled by Gemini, by Mercury at the midheaven with the Sun and Saturn. Planets gain strength when they are closely allied with the sun, but at some degrees are weakened by association - they are said to be "combust". Mercury could well be combust here. Saturn is probably far enough away not to be affected.

Here is the most interesting thing I observed - Cancer rules the home (by the moon) and the entire sign of cancer is subsumed in this chart into the seventh house. There is not one cusp showing a degree of Cancer on it! Symbolically, I think this suggests that this crisis is going to re-define the american idea of home -

Please also notice there are no planets on the east side of the chart.

Also, Saturn in the 10th (in a horary chart) suggests that the outcome is not going to be fair.

Which is why I have to go back to the basic stricture - the chart says the matter is "too late", and that is the important thing to take away from this chart.

Elizabeth


What do you guys think? Is it too late? Is this "it"...from everything I have seen - the bumpy plateau is ending - now comes the cliff.


rocc



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For that chart I see:

Neptune in Aquarius in 2nd House

Neptune (loss) in Aquarius (sudden shocks, speaking the truth) in the Second House (House of Money).

Neptune, of course, is about more than just loss, it is also about psycho-spiritual realms and creativity. But also deception and blurring of boundaries.

So I'd guess telling the truth (Aquarius) about where there was deception/blurring of boundaries (Neptune) in matters of money (2nd house.

Neptune is going to be approaching 29 degrees Aquarius and 29 degrees of any sign is always a "crisis" point.  In Aquarius that means something to do with the following themes: the masses, revolting, rebellion, speaking truth to power, beheading kings, etc.

Moon in Capricorn in the 1st, Square Saturn in Libra

Moon in Capricorn is the "Gordon Gekko" Moon. Saturn (karma, payback) in Libra (justice, fairness) is squaring (conflicting) with it.

Pluto (destruction) is in Capricorn  conjuncting the Cap Moon.

all that is going on in the first house, the house of one's image. So the Gordon Gekko's of the world are about to lose face, bigtime.


-- Edited by MattSavinar on Sunday 24th of October 2010 10:54:22 AM

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Both Matt and Elizabeth's analyses seem accurate to me.

More generally, throughout 2010 Neptune has been conjoining the USA's natal Moon at 28 Aquarius (Sibely chart).   To my mind, that correlated with the BP oil gusher, as well as with the dissolution of (and panic over) Americans perceived but illusory values of their "homes", as well as confusion and anxiety over their national identity.

I also see this Neptune-Moon transit manifesting in at least two current - and to my mind, irrational and inflated - social panics induced by both the putative "left" and "right" wings of America's Propaganda Department, aka TV "news" networks:

1.   Aquarius can correlate with homosexuality as well as other kinds of social deviance.   (eg, Aquarian Sir Thomas More, cf my avatar, was considered "socially deviant" because he refused to follow the state religion.)  So, on the "Left" we have a campaign to sentimentalise homosexuals as martyrs, with the "Left" wing of the Propaganda Department claiming hysterically that homosexual "marriage" is the number one "civil rights" issue of our time.   Please, spare me; this just distracts (I believe intentionally) from the serious social justice issues of the Second Great Depression.

2.   On the "Right", we have the recent rise of the Sun-in-Aquarius lunatic Glenn Beck ranting hysterically about the perceived dissolution of America's "national identity".   I think the Neptune-Aquarius character of Beck's paranoid rants are satirised brilliantly in this video, "Donald Duck Meets Glenn Beck":  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfuwNU0jsk0





-- Edited by Reactionary_Aquarian on Monday 25th of October 2010 04:07:47 AM

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What a bunch of baloney.

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Anonymous wrote:

What a bunch of baloney.



Well, I guess that's the end of this forum.



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Why don't you make use of your bunch of baloney and go plant some...

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It's me Elizabeth. Gave myself a new ID here, Lilly after my favorite astrologer, William Lilly. So I was happy to see that rocc was interested in following up on this chart -

Agree that the interpretations *both* have value; I'm just approaching it from a classical mundane read, Matt is taking it without the strictures.

The strictures are four classical restrictions that tell the astrologer that the question is not good, or not radical.

First, what is rising? Less than 3 degrees, the question is premature. More than 27 degrees, the question is too late.

Second, where is the moon? Is it void of course? (that means has it finished its major aspects to the planets on its travels through the sign it is currently occupying, but has not yet gotten to the next sign? If so, it is void. Things do not happen during a v-o-c moon).

Third, is Saturn in the 7th or Capricorn or Aquarius on the 7th cusp? The 7th represents the astrologer. Saturn (a malefic) here suggests that there is a problem with the astrologer's ability to interpret the question. It shows dissatisfaction with the answer.

Is the Moon in the Via Combusta? That's 15 Libra to 15 Scorpio. Classically this placement suggests the moon is corrupted or ineffectual.

Additionally other major things to worry about are:

Moon in late degrees of Gemini, Scorpio or Capricorn;

If the ruler (Lord) of the Ascendant is combust, neither the question propounded will take nor the querent be regulated (Lilly)

When the testimonies of the fortunes and infortunes are equal, defer judgment; it is not possible to know which way the judgment will turn.

If Saturn is in the ascendant, especially retrograde, the matter seldom comes to any good.


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